Metal Mania in the '80s Part 1

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Man, that last thing I just took a dragon was a big drag. Man. Hey, why don't you go ahead and tell all the cats and Kitties tonight. What we're gonna lay down here in the discount and with Jang I'm any hour right here. Back to the eighties, baby. We are promising you that you're going to be blown away because of a couple of guests. We've got stick around, because we've got Shannon the shan Man Hernandez from ninety eight KUPD from Phoenix, Arizona. Also with us is bass player vocalist of Lizzie Borden, halford Uzzy and many others. Currently with Dramma Rama, the one and Only Mike Davis. That's right, catching Kenny. You don't go anywhere. You stay locked and loaded, because we are coming back with more conversation, more mental penetration of the rock and roll kind. It is time to go back to the eighties babies. I'm so scared. I wish I had a ham sandwich to call my nerves. I find a place to hide. Where are you going, fuzzy face, That's what I was afraid of. I don't't wait for me. 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So stay tuned because we have two special guests later on in the show, Mike Davis of Lizzie Borden Halford and currently druma Rama and Shannon the shan Man Hernandez on air personality at ninety eight KUPDFM and Phoenix, so don't miss him as they share their stories and opinions regarding the metal mania of the nineteen eighties now the time that you've been waiting for. That's right with me. As he is every single Friday, is a man that, with his hair, has inspired the story of Rapunzel and as golden lucks are as long as Davy Jones tentacles. He's been often spotted at raider games dressed as their mascot, just so he can sabotage their game. We hear add back to the eighties, call him the chain. That's about that entrance. Chang that entrance. You know, you almost made me feel like the very first girl that took my virginity. She made me feel like I was bigger than life. She made me feel like I lasted five hours and not five seconds. That was a slam of an intro. That's right, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, vixens and everybody in between. Tonight to Scotto and I are going to cruise. We're gonna take a cruise, not a ted cruise, because nobody needs that cruise, but we're gonna take a cruise back into the eighties, in the beginning of metal and hard rock. As a matter of fact, So grab yourself a bottle of aquanets, grab some leg warmers, get your best T shirt and cut strands out of it, because to Skanto and Chang have got locked to talk about now. T Scanno, I know in fat that you right now wearing your poisoned skiddies and you're dreaming of Brett. Michael says, you're looking at me. Am I incorrect? Well I am. I am wearing my poisoned shirt and guess what. The back of my shirt says, warrant and rat. How do you like that? Oh? You remind me of cold Cereal gone bad. I want to gag in it, but I'm intrigued to see what type of a mullet you will be swinging later when that warrant shirt comes off and I notice you're dancing for dollar bills. That's right up at Chippendale's, that famous men's club back in the eighties. I'm sure you remember that club. No, I don't remember. I know what you're talking about because I've read a lot today. We've got a fantastic show. We've got a fantastic show for you. Because yes, that's right, we kick off this three part series on rock. We're starting with Metal tonight, and the show cannot be gang if the Chang doesn't get a rang bang. Molten metal is here to Scott and we're gonna talk about right. I know we're gonna talk about glam metal. Well, well we will talk about glam metal. But here's what I want us to do. So I'm gonna mention a few things, sort of documentary style. I'll get into my best Rod Serling interpretation here, and then the memorial Wikipedia something like that. Yeah, something like that exactly. And then what I want you to do, as mister metal guru of the seventies and eighties and nineties, what I want you to do is give me your best input, all right. If you're in the same boat as I was. When I was a team, I had no idea of what metal was and everything that came before it and what led up to it. So I kind of want to step on those toes for a little bit and let you guys know. For those that don't at the early half, let's go back to the sixties, all right. The early half of the sixties it witnessed. We all remember from our parents and their parents, the explosion of popular music such as the Beatles with I Want to hold your hand, the Rolling Stones with painted Black, The Who with My Generation, and The Kinks with You Really Got Me. And these are bands that contributed to the creation of these loud and predictable and rebellious so called sounds. And by the latter part of the sixties, the next generation of rock stars began to show their first seeds of heavy metal, and these bands were drawing inspiration from their blues and rock and roll forebears, such as Cream with Tales of Brave Ulysses, Let's Zeppelin with Communication Breakdown, and Jimmy Hendrix with Voodoo Child and This My Friends. These acts were not only louder in volume, but they were blunt social commentary into their lyrics. Heavy Metal, my Friends began to take shape. I agree with you, and that's a You get a fantastic high five for the shank by mentioning Cream. There you go, I mentioning creaman Hendrix. I mean, those are two of the key guitar players that did start a heavy metal all right, Now here's the band. I'm sure that I don't know if you recall that or listeners. Dude, they came up with the actual term heavy metal in the song do you remember that band step in woold Oh you know what. I have heard of the band, but I didn't know that they actually were the ones that came up with the with the words heavy metal. Yeah, the lyric is heavy metal thunder. Yeah. Well I put that. We'll put that on Facebook. Sour Our listeners can dive into that. They could hear that song, and then you can agree or disagree with the with the chang if you don't think that has a taste of of metal in it. I also think that bands like Black Sabbath and Rainbow Thin Lizzie. I think Aerosmith, early Aerosmith. I think those bands kind of incorporated kind of that brash metal kind of feeling and vibe. You know, a metal started crashing. Uh. I'd say probably the late seventies. I mean, how you got the metal gods themselves? Judas Priests a song that we played at the intro of the show that came out of the the seventy seventy six, I believe was one of their first albums. So heavy metal was already in the makes, like you said, bro, from the sixties to the seventies and then eighties, I think it just hit it hit the wall front face forward. I think the eighties it came with an identity, you know, based upon what you were saying, I totally agree. As a matter of fact, there are some people that can exactly pinpoint metal started where the location where it came from the West Midlands. And to be exact, Birmingham in England nineteen sixty eight, economically depressed, was an industrial town during a lost innocence era and the birth of Black Sabbath with Paranoid happened and they forged a sound that recalled the clamor of the steel mills with their album Iron Man, and that dominated, I mean landscape of their hometown and it went beyond that and it unleashed a sonic revolution from there on. That must have caused so much controversy in the people that were not used to that music. Imagine them hearing Black Sabbath because that was hardcoreback then. Yeah, to a lot of people, times were different than a lot of people were more conservative, you know. I believe Ozzie was brought up in a very Catholic oriented family, So religion was at the forefront of Birmingham, England, just like it was here in the States. So the funny thing is, like Black Sabbath sound kind of evolved out of blue, but they added metal, a metal edge to it. I think the two great bands that started heavy metal did come out of Birmingham, Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, and both of those bands kind of had a certain sound in their music where it was a little bit dark, a little bit mystifying, hardcore guitar Judas Priests actually with double dual guitars, and with Sabbath three. I mean, Sabbath to me is one of the greatest hard rock blues bands I think of all time, with both single singers deal or Ozzie. Yeah. And I think heavy metal hit in the eighties, Bro that brought along the fashion, kind of the look of the camaraderie, the scene. I mean, anywhere you grew up, brother, there was a metal scene. Yea. I remember I grew up in Montabello. So we would go to a store called Wild Rags, or we would go to the Electric Planet, like we discussed on our arcade show. Correct, just like I'm I'm sure that you recall going down to golf and stuff and seeing all the rock and roller kids out there too. Yeah, I remember. It became a sign of the times, you know what. I mean, it became a music that brought unity and people would go out and gathering. I mean, look at some of the great movies we got from the eighties. They you know, they've got some hard rock bands in their broth. So it's it's kind of weird. The eighties heavy metal gave us in your face with a certain look. Yeah. And you know, in moving north along the I five, the Interstate five here in California, other bands embarked on this hair movement thing, and they drew inspiration from the original metal bands and they created sort of like a new subgenre of music that a lot of people referred to as thrash metal. And you know, some people believe that the ones that started this so called thrash metal movement was not only Metallica with their Creeping Death and Exodus with by Blood and Into the Pit, but as well as Megadith with Hook and Mouth, Well Slayer with Raining Blood Slayer, you had Tamtara. You know, you can actually say thrash metal started evolved. I think from the sound of both Judas Priests, Iron Maiden. I want to go with Saxon, I'm gonna go with I'm gonna put this out there that dual guitar bands kind of brought upon the thrash kind of movement because you had more guitar, a dueling guitar, so they're actually throwing licks at each other like their sword fighting. I also noticed that, for example, if we go back to the seventies when Rob Halford with Judas Priests, when they ushered in that type of heavy metal into basically uncharted territory, they not only capitalized on their own talents, but they brought more highly rhythmic and melodic music and also a little bit more reserved tempos, specifically in certain songs, as opposed to what Metallica and Megadeth and the rest did in the eighties, where it was nothing but a breakneck guitar riffs where everybody was battling against each other to see who played faster. Yeah, in the meantime, we're going to take a break when we come back, just as we promise with us. Today, we have twenty year veteran radio personality Shannon Hernandez the shan Man and also bass player vocalists from Lizzie Board and Halford. He's played with Ozzie and many others and currently is playing with Drama Rama, the one and only Mike Davis. So stick around because we are back to the eighties. Don't you go anywhere. I'm going to find you and tie you up. Chain likes to be tied up, Yes, with silly string. When the economy was good and the metal was heavy. Man, back to the eighties. If they were a laxity, they'd be so powerful you could stand on your head and on the ceiling. That position will not only be nail, but also I'm dignified. And now back to the eighties with Descado and Chang Dream. Welcome back. This is back to the eighties. I'm just Kanno from cis Kanno and Chang and with us today just like we promised, is a twenty year veteran radio personality of ninety eight kup D and Phoenix, Arizona. Shannon the shan Man Hernandez. Also with us today is bass player and vocalist of Lizzie Borden. Halford has been with Ozzie and many others and currently is playing with Drama Rama, the One and Only Mike Davis. Guys, thanks for being with the Skano and Chang On Back to the eighties. Gentlemen, we were kind of giving a brief background of what the metal genre is all about. The raw genre is it started from the mid sixties on down, of course nineteen seventies when it really took off. Let's start with Channon here. What are your experiences on the radio side. Do you find it a lot of people misunderstand the genre. I don't think so much these days. People who listen to the music these days, it's more it's just consumable and run. It's so in and out of their ears. But it's not absorbed like how it used to be back when we were kids. That's the way I look at it. I mean when we were when I was at least a kid, I would you record the radio show. I would absorb the radio show. I don't think that people have the attention span to really absorb the music, to even not misunderstand it. One of the posts that we put on back to the eighties recently because I put a picture of bands right somewhere, metals somewhere, hard rocks somewhere, just hair hair bands. So I'm reading all the comments and somebody somewhere just wrote metal is dead, and I'm going, wait a second, are are you This was a comment that was coming from somebody who definitely was not from the eighties or seventies. And what do you have to say with a comment such as that, Mike, You know, it's on the contrary, man, it's it's the last of the living beast and those are the old metal is the only thing it's gonna get people on the venues anymore. The artistry of it, the you know, technicalities, and people still you know, like referring to with Shandelon saying, it's like these are the people that was the record concerts on radio, and you know, like how did the Tallis start? How did Armored Saints start with the teams and ecurity teams and all this thing and the last you know time. I actually I played in Moscow in two thousand and fourteen with a backulled Death Dealer and it was packed. I mean it was like about five thousand people. Metal is not that I mean, it's not at all. It's it's just it's a genre that that younger people have not really grasped onto because of the you know, the Internet. I mean it's like it takes time to forge, uh, you know, to be a musician and to write songs and things like that, and it seems to the gratification now it's like people can't put the time in. And I don't know, I mean, I I can go on and on about that, but I truly believe that. I think that when you look at it from the perspective of the present, that metal is more underground these days than it has ever been in the past. If you look at the recent Grammys and how like the like the I mean, I don't I didn't watch the Grammys, but I heard all about how the snub was straight you know, the snub Eddie van Halen, And to me, that's just kind of like, yeah, you know, uh, those van Halen songs wrote the test of time. Uh you know, even if it wasn't metal, its rock for people, right, But even even still that was forged a lot of the bands these days. But you still everyone refers back to Eddie van Halen as that's the guy that influenced them to do whatever, or do this or do that, or figure out how to play the guitar. And yet now, uh, pop culture and and and just the culture itself right now, it doesn't really look at rock music and metal. I mean, look at and look at the super Bowl. I mean, you don't really have rock bands, uh playing the super Bowl, but you hear rock and metal bands on Sunday afternoon during football season. Like I always think, like, you know, what the f is that all about? Like how do how do? How do you feel as though like metal is dead? How come you here? Yeah? You're here, loves zep one here, you know, the classic rock on advertisements these days, it's like you're trying to sell the people with money you there, like fifty plus or so. Oh shoot, I'm gonna use that Halan Zepp or what or whatnot. But I mean, for some reason, you know, the culture just like you say, the culture is different, and it's not like when I was young. I you know, you see bands like I'm grabbing it, like which one are you going to be? The guitar based drums of the bolt. I'm gonna beat this guy and he's just carried on. He carried on, and you're you're you're losing that now. It's it's a culture thing for sure. After culture, I'll wait in the black. Hold rock music in general, like a guitar based drums and a singer like druma wrong and we get on stage, we do a lot of babies stuff, gustavles a, computer generated bands and things like that. We come up there. We're five guys. We're like the Rolling Stones on steroids. The Santa Man are like, oh cool, find me a fucking rock band, and like any Bible's coming back. Hey, rock will be It's the right next to me. This is what it is to be a rocker or a metal head, a headbanger. It's kind of a way of life, a lifestyle. Not only a lifestyle, but it's a path I think that you're born into and this type of music just makes you feel a certain way. We feel fearless, we feel strong, we feel unified. We feel that we need to make a statement. And metal music and rock and roll is that the defiance we have to be counted for. We are somebody, We have a force, We have a talent, and we're going to give it to you straight up, with our musical talent, with a unity of our fans, as they sing with us, as they go to our gigs, as we gather at festivals, as we pass a beer from a keg. The one thing about rock and roll, Brothers and metal is the massive unity that we hold that there is very little violence within our own groups as you see in modern day music or modern day society. What do you boys think of that? No, absolutely, it's born that way. I mean, well, that's like like the patches on your DNA, you know in the eighties and you know it's a cage. Oh man Keen diavon uh you know, cool, like you already know that guy and you like it. You who are already we got something going on. It's definitely a you know, it's a pack and you know there's still you know, I'm not gonna say it is dead. I mean even Batons like like ghosts. Those those guys are huge. Yeah, yes, exactly, those Judeo's huge. They're kind of trying to reach out to the different genres but still keep the foundation of hard rock. Yeah. Yeah, I think, like you know, the music now these days. What's funny is that I think that the music does exist like that we listen to from back in the seventies and the eighties. Um, you know even into those sixties. You hear a lot of that music in today. But what's funny what I experienced from you know, talking to people on my Facebook page or even talking to some of the young Gen Z people that they discover a band for the first time. It's like, bro, that band has been off forever, you know, like and they're discovering it for the first time. And to me, that is very reminiscent of the first time I ever discovered led Zeppelin, and I was like, holy shit, like this is like, this is mind blowing, Like you know, I had discovered led Zeppelin through just through Great White I mean, that was how I discovered it. And then I listened to of Babe I'm Gonna Leave You and then I was like, well, that's a really good song. And then I discovered it later down the line, I was like, oh, well led Zeppelin made that, and so then I dove down the rabbit hole of led Zeppelin and then I was just stuck in this Zeppelin, you know, phase for the really long time. And then I had learned that all of these bands that were coming up back in the day, you know, they were all influenced by led Zeppelin. So I feel like the music today, even though we have apps and we have Spotify and we have the music is just kind of comes in and out of our lives. I still think that today's youth is. They're still looking for that edge, and I think they'll find that edge in the music that we would find in the eighties that you know, like you're led Zeppelin as the Priests, you know, bands like that even you know, like Mike was saying, you know, you're even looking at bands like King Diamond that you know, some of these young kids they discover for the first time and they're like, Wow, what is this? This blows my mind. So I think it's just an evolution of how we discover the music, and how the people discover the music and how they put their own take on music. I mean, if you were to fast forward and take the stance in the in the nineties and the two thousands and look at the bands like static X. Like, to me, listening to static X sounded like nothing that I had ever heard before. I was like, this blew my mind. It was all technical and it was all electronic. But then there were a lot of it came back to the eighties and the nineties and they were looking at the influences of those bands. So I think it's just evolutionary over time, right, shann you bring up that band, I think of nine Inch Nails. Resner has a very key stense of a sounding gothic metal, dark but yet melodic, yet poetic, and a little bit of pop. So I think he would fall in the same round of what of the band you just mentioned? Oh yeah, I think Resner. He was an innovator back in the day. I mean I wasn't even into nine inch Nails when they came out. I thought, what is this? This sounds like crap. Then it took me about It took me about three or four years and I was like, Wow, this is really good. Who is this? And then someone was like, oh this is this is nine inch Nails. I was like, oh man, how did I miss that whole train? You know, there was an emotion that went behind it the mid the mid nineties to the late or to the early two thousands, and I think that that that just created a whole other I don't a different type of society that would grow up and really appreciate the emotion that went behind that music. And you know, even look at like bands like Marilyn Manson and you look at him and how he kind of influenced and how these kids these days, they're twenty two and they still listen to Marilyn Manson, which blows my mind. But I mean, this is early a show about the eighties. It is all about the eighties. Going back a little bit further to nineteen seventy eight, we know that Black Sabbath and Deep Purple a little bit before them, they had laid a certain foundation and it was just a matter of time before someone synthesized heavy metal into something more complete and enter. Of course, I'm talking about Chang's favorite band in the world. Judas Priest was victim of changes. So talk to us a little bit about that if you can, Mike, because a lot of people don't know that it was after Judas Priest with Rob Halford that the whole leather thing came into into play for metal and rock. Yeah, you know, it's a there's so many great points that you guys are all making, and there's a bunch of stuff like they go back to. But as far as j P, yeah, you know, obviously I have the pleasure to play with Robbed for quite a while and he is the most the sweetish gentleman you're ever gonna meet. He's a warrior. And the leather came about as in, like you know what, this is what I am, this is what I do, and this is how I'm going to portray myself. And this is how j this priest is gonna be. Just freets. Didn't start out that way exact like Rocke Rollo. It was you know, they're they're band firm at they evolved and uh and uh it's there and they really brought up you know, the dual guitar, you know the cape hand line. I again, and there's so much. There's so much I can say about you, this priest. I mean, you know Sin after Sin, staying class. I mean, you know the Hell Ben for Leather. I mean those albums are kind of I was just listening to those and this is this is what's gonna you know why you say metal, it's not. I work as a check as well. And in my cafe that I was working at, I have a kid who works some meading, about twenty four years old, and he's playing rock forever. He's playing all these great chain petums and trying to get on my good side. Bro. This is this is what I listened to. And then after that he's playing Heaven and Hell, and then after that, you know what you get the playlist today and this kid is like, he's not even twenty five years that's awesome. Just say I left to work too, and good that day. I can talk about Rob forever because again to spend time with that guy. I mean, I grew up on the garage playing rigging the Bob, you know, with my buddy, and I'm doing that for real now with this guy. And you know, he evolved in the in the world for for coming for being a metal guy and coming out you know, saying you know, this is where I am. I am, I am gaining metal. That was like the most metal you can do. Yeah, he's got more straight and must be well, I know. And then he goes he plays with track, He goes you know and plays you know, tries that and maybe that's not the thing. He goes in fight and then he does his agro and it's like cool, all right, you know. I like that resurrection was coming back to metal, you know, and it's it's a great story. And I think he is truly one of the most I mean, he's always been looked upon it as an icon, you know, the MG, the metal god. But I think he's he's truly, you know, more than that to me. He's the dude that lives down the road from me. That's how I He lives probably like ten minutes fifteen minutes from me. Hey, you're listening to back to the Eighties. If you just joined us, we're talking about metal. We're gonna be right back, so don't go away. We've got more madness on Back to the Ages with the Skanow and Chang. You're listening to Back to the eighties. If you can't wear a spendex jumpsuits, what can you do this of the eighties? You're listening to Back to the Eighties. I'm Tiscanno from Tiscano and Chang. We're talking to Shannon Hernandez from ninety KUPD in Phoenix, Arizona, and Mike Davis, bass player for Lizzie Borden Halford and drummer Rama. Shannon, what is your most favorite early heavy metal bands? Slash the cross between hard rock acid rock, which they called in the seventies into what we saw clash in the eighties as metal. I'm gonna give you certain bands and that's you can tell me what which one is your most familiar? In your favorite? Are you ready to go? I hope I can answer all right, Motorhead, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Thin Lizzie, Rainbow, Black Sabbaths. And here's the one that you probably never even thought of. Cream. You can't you can't ask me that question with that mean not like all of that. I mean, you can't ask that question. That's almost an impossible question. That's picking the That's like the top gun of bands right there. It's the best of the best. Man. So, I mean, I'm a fan of all of them. Uh, you know, some of them I got involved in later in life. Others I discovered right away. You know. The one that pops out to me, though, I would say probably is just Sabbath, just for the pure sound of evil that it had. When I first discovered it, I just thought it was powerful, you know. I mean to me, was just straight up stoner rock. To me is stoner metal. And when I discovered a band later down the line in the early two thousands called Electric Wizard, and I was like, this, this is like a re This is like Sabbath reborn. And so Sabbath, I think was the one that really got me because I loved the real chunky riffs that were in a certain key. I don't know. Mike probably knows more about that than I do, but they were in a certain key and the evil key, and they would be played so just it just sounded sinister to me, and I just loved that that vibe that it that it gave off and it was just mysterious to me. And so Sabbath would be the one if I had to pick one, that was the one right there. You can't, Ronie. You have Judas Priest and like Mike said, I remember Judas Priests in the seventies when they came out and Rob Halford had long hair and they kind of dressed similar to like the disco era, slash Um era of like like deep purple like rold Smith, that same time of dress attire, that same kind of look, you know, but like you were saying, Black Sabbath to me was like blues sinister metal. It was like angry blues. You know. From the very first time I heard the Wizard, you know, a sweet Leaf, you know, tunes like that. They kind of were like at the trip out Zone, the stoner music. But then I think when you have a band come out later, like like Pink Floyd, they kind of took the stoner realm and went with it in those type of bands flocked to that which a lot of us that are rockers do love pink Floot and follow that. But you know the difference pink pink Floyd is very different stoner music. The early Black Sabbath from nineteen eighty two often referred to as the new wave of British heavy metal. I want to give you some bands and some albums, and I want you guys to give me your honest opinion. Bands like Iron Maiden with Hell it would be thy name band number two, Motorhead with Iron Fist, Saxon machine Gun, and diamond Head, am I Evil? Yeah? For me it was diamond Head. They were obviously a direct influence on Metallica. And so for me to understand that influence of Metallica, why and how they came up with the music that they came up with. And you know, of course Metallica was influenced by a bunch of motor It could have been motor Head, it could have been Budgie, who knows who it could have been. It could have been just about anyone. But when it came down to I think Metallica itself and they would. They did those two songs by diamond Head that I was like, I have to learn the history behind this. I've got to know like what, like how aggro is that band? And when I listened to them for its time, yeah, it probably could have been aggro, But I listened to them now and I'm like, man, this is like cotton candy metal. Like it just didn't sound like it had balls to it. But Metallica around the line, they put balls to it. They made it sound deathly, you know, I mean it was It's the same as if you were to take Stone call crazy and you hear that from Queen. When Mattallaica made it metal, I was like, holy shit. I was like, this is crazy Queen. When they came out, when they made that song, it kind of had that metal edge, that metal field. For me, what you asked Tusky would be Motorhead, a three piece solid band in your face. I mean, Lenny was like a devil second you, breathing at your face. Lenny played the bait like it was the lead guitar and like he was shooting an ak at you across the room. I mean I remember going to Motorhead gigs. I remember getting into the pit, being in the thicker things, and the vibe that Motor had created, the energy, the speed Motor had played louder and faster to where if you close your eyes and you slamed somebody in the pit, you think the four to five guys, but it's three dude's giving you solid balls out in metal. So to me, besides Priests and Motorhead, those have got to be the greatest metal bands that charged me up to be a metal head as young as I was, but so as Iron Maiden, you cannot beat there now. Maiden had two singers, two different styles. The punk version was with Paul Diano early in the seventy nine eighty to eighty two Real Paul Giano couldn't hang really. Dickinson came out of another band that was friended them in England, joined the band. They became a powerhouse kind of kind of like Maiden to me is like an author of a great story book of tales and enchantments. Every album they create is of pages of history. They put it together melodically, so it's kind of theater of the mind and you have to be pretty intellectual to understand. And were Maidens coming from soul, and you know what, that's interesting. It's interesting that you mentioned that because songs during this like nineteen eighty two period, specifically, if we're talking about that, they explored certain realms of fantasy and mythology, and especially bands like Iron Maiden. These bands like Iron Maiden embarked on creating these big, elaborate, theatrical stage shows that complimented their music that really really resonated with with fans, don't you think. Oh yeah, I mean there was a whole there was a whole army of those people. I mean, my buddy Chris, his name is Chris Kretero. He played with all of those guys, and that whole that whole style of music brought on a whole different audience that was into that style of music. For me, Maiden was good. I liked some of the songs, but I never got into them as much as I know, you know, like Chang got into or my buddy Chris got into my friend Brett got in to them. I didn't get into them for some reason because I didn't. I didn't. I didn't take myself down that road of the story itself. But I did like bands later down the line. If we were to talk about, like if you were to when the idea of the concept album came out, and when I first heard Operation Mind Crime, that was that was more along the lines of what I liked. So when I heard Operation Mind Crime, I was like, Wow, this is this is like a this is like a story. Yeah, it was more reality than I think anything else. And that's why I that's how that's why I dove into that versus a Maiden, you know, because it just I just couldn't connect with it on a certain level. You would think that I would have at some point in time, because I loved Sabbath, you know, and some of those songs had some of that element into it. But I think it was also had to deal with my maturity at the time and what I was looking to, what I was trying to discover in life itself. And so when I heard Operation Mind Crime and I had my headphones on and I played it from my walkman, and I just remember it was an experience. It wasn't just like music. It was also the production value, was the engineering that went into it, because you could hear voices in the back of your head if you had the headphones on and then you could hear things happening on the other side. So that's why I fell into that. The whole album was because everything from the lyrics to the music, to the production value, to the engineering, to the storyline. It was such a well thought album that I was like, I'm come in, man, I'm in. And then Empire came out and that just sold me. Hey, stick around, There's more was a shan Man and Mike Davis of Drummerama coming up next. I'm back to the eighties. Welcome Eighties fans. I have been expecting you. You no longer need to listen to any other podcast. You won't the eighties, don't you The longing for eighties swelling. You now feel the memories coming to you and listen to back to the Eighties. Give in to the starger with each passing moment you make yourself bore of a nighties fan. It is unavoidable. It is your distant You don't know the power of back to the eighties. You like your childhood are now mane Now back to good, wholesome, politically correct entertainment. Oops rock Station Now back to the eighties with Tesco. Back to the eighties Radio. If you just joined us. We've got Shannon the shan Man, Hernandez from ninety eight KUPD and Phoenix Arizona and Mike Davis bass player for Lizzie Borden Halford and Drama Rama. We're going back and forth. But in nineteen eighty six something happened, all right, there was some type of an identity crisis. Heavy metal experienced certain interpretations as it began to globally in a way, as someone put it, disseminate. Nowhere was that more evident than in the West coast of the US, especially in LA where many bands developed should we say, a more neutral, simplified sound, and they focused on more on the theatrics and then the showmanship. And I'm talking about bands like and I'm not putting this in the same category. I'm just we're talking about nineteen eighty six where there's a little identity crisis, right, bands like Poison with their I Want Action. Then other bands like Motley Crue, Live Wire Rats, Right. So what happens is they lead a movement where it's it's now called hair metal, of course, and it was more of a spectacle a product. I find that real metal heads have real serious issue with hair metal? Am I not right? Shannon? Yeah, I don't know, man, because I had to evolve on this. But if you were to, if you were to ask me from the purest standpoint when I heard it, yeah, the first time, Yeah, I was totally against the idea that any of that music was metal. But I do know that when I was growing up that we called it metal, right, and that's what it was, But it wasn't true metal. And I mean where I grew up here in Arizona, it wasn't necessarily I didn't, you know, I didn't have the exposure to music the way that like say you did, or people here in Phoenix did. Yeah, I you know, I didn't have access to venues. I grew up in a small town of like two thousand people, and so the only outlet we had was you know, getting an antenna to figure out how to get the Phoenix radio stations in our house that was two hundred miles away, and watching MTV. And so when I when we were talking about bands like Poison Rat bon Jovi, they were even lumped in there as metal, sure, you know, And if you heard of a band, if you ever heard like of Aldo Nova, then you were just kind of like, well, who's that and they're like, oh, that's the new band that's on you know, the horizon, you know, so it was fast forward. He later down the line. Yeah, when you hear bands say like, oh that's the metal move or that was part of metal, right right, Oh, no, it wasn't. That wasn't it because metal was it already existed sure beyond that. And you know, it's interesting to me because a lot of people, you know, I didn't understand it when I was growing up in high school. It seems to me, and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that the newer hair metal right ended up to be the more commercially successful. Yeah, you know, I mean maybe Mike has an opinion on this, but I think that, like, you know, because it had a lot of the hooks. It had all the hooks. All those bands had hooks, and they had it was kind of like the hooks of the songs were like something that you could put on a bumper sticker if you wanted. I think the excess of the eighties and the hair metal, well, I would think I think the excess of the hair metal movement was something that people saw as reality back then, and they saw that as something as sustainable, like yeah, I'm gonna drink whiskey and chicks all day long, and you know, and like I here, I am at forty four years old. I'm like, dude, I can barely even stay awake past nine. You know. It's like, I think it was living the dream when you watch those bands do that, and it was That's why it was more commercially successful, and people want I think, in my opinion, that's what people wanted in life. They wanted to live that lifestyle, and so that's why you saw a lot of the access. Yeah, the fast cars, the partying, the supposed good life. You know. The band that does that really well and they played off the well is Steel Panther. You know Stee Panther plays that up real well. But they also know that that was not a sustainable thing back then. Well yeah, man, I mean what you guys are saying is Lizzie Gordon was a hardcore heavy metal band, Shoots, Pretest, Iron Maiden, two of guitar, great vocal, very accomplished musicians, reverse our butt off. And then we also felt like aquinat I'll put it we we dressed up, we were the makeup, We did the whole thing, so I only people knew really what to think of us, And sometimes we got we got offended like we're not part of the hair metal We're or in the jeans were or in the Denham we're doing this crap and uh. But then also the strip got deluded with a bunch of like posers as well. Remember, yes, exactly your AFOs and were you know, yeah, exactly, you know, weren't the King of the Climb Dad. Hey Mike, now that you mentioned Lizzie Borden from what I believe, and you're going to correct me, of course, because you had quite a bit to do with this one. A little bit you had nineteen eighty five. Okay, so if we jump over to nineteen eighty five real quick, but Love You to Pieces, talk to me a little bit about Love You to Pieces? What went on there? I can talk to you a lot about that. Okay, Well, all right, we we just finished our first EP, Give Up the Acts, Okay, so we were hot on that it sold well. We were on the fire metal blades, that are we had to get you back in the studio. So Liz, we were we rehearsed a lot of blades. So we we went right on the studio and recorded, uh you know, love you to Pieces and uh we were really excited about the record, and then came time to shoot the cover and uh, you know back then, you know again about the girls, you know, cute girls like uh, no clothes whatever, We're gonna do a cover with Lizzy, Yes Cocking a model, all right, we're gonna do this. I'm like, all right, cool, who's a model? Like, all right, so here companist blonde that trot's in and you know, in the robe. And it's like, okay, well I'm here to do did Lucy Gordon's shoot? And I was like, holy shit, look at that? So all right, they're right, well, well you know, of course, who's gonna get the chick on the cover? Right, So the quiet of assuming cool bass player guy said, you know what, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna get it. So I took her to the Rainbow. Yes, you know, a few nights later or whatever. We talked and all that and then boom that go, Mike wins I got the cover girl because my son is her son. So yeah, well just to give you guys. An idea. Here's what we're talking about. Take a listen through my eyes. So much as you try to you with, you can't get I can let you. I can't tell you that freaking rocks my friend. And do is it me or do my ears detect a little bit of led Zeppelin in there? Or is it? Is it just my imagination? Now? Luzy was Rob Alfred like you know Disciple. It was his favorite singer, you know that now was Cooper. I listened to that song before we came on, and I also listened to Rod of Iron. I believe great, really fast paced, really really good song. Shannon, let me ask you on when you're on the air at at ninety a KUPD, what's the hardest band that you've got to play that you're allowed to play on there? I mean I have a segment where I you know, I can play songs and play bands. I mean I've I've played you know, Slayer, I've played Demo Berger, I've played I mean, I've I've gone the gamut of a crowbar. You know, it just doesn't matter who it is. So I mean I can go as deep and as far with certain songs, but not you know, not go crazy, you know, that's the thing. But I mean the idea is to pick a song that is good, that was that was really really good, but it was never a radio It was never a radio single. You know. We started playing Mister Brownstone about well like fifteen years ago. We started playing mister Brownstone from Guns and Roses and you would have never heard, well, yeah, because oh, how do you get away with that? Well, then we figured it out how to do it in production and then we're like, yeah, we're gonna start playing this song because it's badass. You know, Mike, you remember growing up in La to La rock radio kalos ks, the legendary Kamet and Kenny K and e C. Mister Brownstone was played on kam T and k l O S and k n a C. A little bit more frequent they would play half of the MF and bleep it out. But kat and kelowest in the early days they had two shows called Metal Shop and the other one was The Me and those were pretty explicit they played that that. As a matter of fact, Lizzie Borden was played on both those airwaves and KNAC. As a matter of fact, Guns N' Roses was played very explicit there used your Illusion album was played explicit. They played a lot of Armored saying, they played a lot of Slayer, you know, South of Heaven. So there actually was the radio stations that had the balls and the jocks that had the guts and the knowledge. To unify your listener base, you have to give them something that they can relate to. What better than a raw emotion to get you pumped up listening to your radio, gather in your cards at flat tops live concerts and just head bang your anger away but in a beautiful way. Oh dude, that's Can I tell you a really quick little story about that that released right into what you're saying. The kame met didn't think all the Mighty Metal Hour with Jim Ladd, you said those there? Okay, yes, my idol, we listened to that religiously. Right. So I was in a parking lot of the Santa Monica Civic at Ado show. Okay, it his first soul record, you know. And uh so we're listening to the Mighty Metal Shop and Rod of Iron came on, and I want to see the band yet because it was just a metal massacre four. Okay, So this band Lucy Barden like, Wow, these guys are awesome. I love these guys, and so simultaneously I put out an ad us a connection magazine, you know, looking for a van like I'm a beta bass player. Let's let's go. So the first call I get it's like, hey, this is Mike the basse player. Yeah, yeah, how are you doing? This is a back called Lucy Borden. You think you might be interested in coming after our vision? I was like, you gotta be fucking kidding me, dude, I just ripped you on a mighty mettle shop Like yeah, and that's all that all smarted. So that's that's a pretty cool story. Yeah. I want to thank Shannon Hernandez from ninety A KUPD and Phoenix, Arizona. Shannon, I know that you have a radio show every day. If people want to get a hold of you, if they want to listen to the show, how do they go about doing that? And also talk to us a little bit about what you have in store as far as podcasting, because I know you're a podcast guru. I've learned personally a lot from you from your YouTube channel. Yeah, so you can you can find me listen to me on the radio at ninety KUPD dot com at seven to midnight on weekdays a zone of time. And as far as podcasting is concerned, Uh, you know, I have a YouTube channel that you can just go ahead and find just to look up Shannon Hernandez podcasting and you should be able to find my channel there. But uh, you know, I'm working towards, uh creating some programs, more programs to help podcasters I guess turn their podcasts like into a radio show almost. It's so it's more about branding and sound design and things like that. So those are some of the things that I have a planned and of course I'm working towards a giving my viewers more content. As fact, this is something that I gotta be I got to work on tonight and tomorrow, so I'm gonna be working on that tonight and uh, you know, just to help out podcasters. That's really all what all it's about. So, um, I know people have things they want to say and they want to get it out there, but there's a barrier of entry. So that's why I have my channel. I got to what we really appreciate you taking the time to be here. I'm back to the eighties, and I also want to thank you for keeping not only the eighties but the seventies night these two thousands just everything rock alive, especially to the newer generation. I really appreciate it. Man, thanks for being here. I hope it's not the last time. Man, No, it's all good man, Thank you, and thanks for having me. I appreciate it. This is back to the eighties. We'll be right back. Don't go a taking you on a trip to him better time, A time when America used to win at things, when we won the Cold War by arming Afghanistan, when we beat rushing boxers by jugging in the woods, when a welder could become a dancer, when a poor immigrant could become to the power of music, a guru to a generation. If it's popular, we do it totally awesome. And now back to the eighties with Toscato and Chay my eyes. Much as you try to you you can't. All righty, everybody, if you were on the hang with Tuscano and Changing, you were back to the eighties. Tonight you were on the mic with Mike Davis of Drama Rama Helford and that is Lizzie Borden, the bass player of that bad right there, right here, and we're all going back to the eighties. Toscanoll I hope you had a mullet and it didn't matter if it was on your head, over your private region. You were flowing the curl you were in the world. Look at Davis's hair, it's in the wind curly still and the chang My headband does not hold my hair as one in poison? Does you know? In nineteen eighty five, when this album with Love You to Pieces came out, I was wearing rolled up jeans with creepers, but my style wasn't really defined. Man. I was kind of confused. The people thought I was listening all day to Stray Cats. What went through your mind, Mike, the moment you go to the audition the band you had just heard on the radio, and what happens next? Well, that thing, for asking, it's an awesome memor me. Uh. I walked in the studio and at that point, you know, there wasn't like a full back line, so I had a full SVT. I have to free with me with my guy Randy, who was still with me to this day. It helped me out and set up. I'm very nervous, you know, obviously, and uh so I set up myself and Lizzie was like, so, uh let's play some covers. Man, like all right, you know, stand up and shout for the I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah. So we played that song and then literally after that they were like, hey, man, so you want the gig. I'm like, wow, what a song. I actually told the guys let me let me call you back, and they did not like that. They didn't dig it there, like really like all right, So after that audition, I don't know if you remember the Bad Starter from Los Angeles as well? Oh yeah, I remember that. Yeah, put on my best end. You know. He was an older cat. You know, I was in a very early early money and I bounced everything off mommy susans. So I went straight through his rehearsal studio if I knew he'd be there, and any I got this opportunity, you know, to play with it, and I'm a little you know, I'm nerds. I don't know I'm wanting to do it. They were a middle Masker meddle Aid Records and they're playing the rock Sy and Dowey Feels bro Get the rock SYA take the gig, all right, all right, and so that happens, you know, and then I called it back into yeah, the one reheartful and then uh, you know, from that on it was literally history. He kind of had that experience like Mark Wahlberg in the movie rock Star when he went to audition for Steel Dragon. Remember that movie. You know what's funny about that? That was the storyline about Judius Priest. It was Ripper Olwen's taking over after the legs Jerry rob in a moment, did you feel, wow, I just made it? Yeah? No, absolutely no, absolutely absolutely yeah, you know, and the top it off, the guy who's in the Helper band like a metal like body, jers On that Royce the masterminded this stuff. They're they're the best people you want to know like that. That's the thing like when you get a little bit older and you're like, you know what, you didn't kind of reevaluate what you do, why you do it? I want to spend time to drama rama Like I love those guys. They're playing with them for twenty five years, you know, Like I love those guys. Like I tried to do other things and mercenary myself and it just didn't work, you know. And and by the way, I did get a call from a couple of the Healthford guys, so there might be something. Okay, well we're gonna wait. We're gonna wait for that one. Mike. Are there any sincere regrets? We all have regrets right through life. But I mean something in the career path where you said, man, there was that one time when I had this door I should have taken or or perhaps you know what, there was that door I should have shut, and instead of shutting that, I went through it. Yeah, that's an awesome question because again, this whole last year, you know, I mean, I'm actually my other life. I'm a chief and I got a little bit a part of the cafe, which I really really loved, and uh, you know, I was still a drummer, playing my music and doing this and like and my life is coming together pretty well. But you also also read about the road not taking it, which is like when you have that choice in school, should I go this wedding or should I go that way? You know, I have friends you're retired now, they're playing golf and they're doing things and all this Like I'm I'm not gonna say him struggling, but you know, you know, it's been hard, you know, choosing the path of music, you know, and choosing this right ask your question and a whole long way. No, I don't have any regrets because if if I could see my life laid back, I no, I still would have taken that and they all served the purpose getting to where you are today. I want to say a big thanks to Mike Davis for joining us here. I'm back to the eighties, Mike, before we go, where can they find information on all your stuff? Right now? Dramarama didn't drop a new record on May first, twenty twenty called Color TV, which is I think an amazing record, and we got a lot of great reviews of you know, with it, and we had a twenty shows to play behind it, which obviously didn't get played. But May twenty nine is our first show back in Cataline Island. That's going to be great boxing goals and the point goo guys and uh missing person. It's a lot of great you know are my pals, you know, our peals. So hopefully this will you know, kindled and bra will get back on the road again. And that's it, man, you know, that's that's my music and you can also contact him on Facebook. That's my personal page. Mike Davis's fine. You know, I'd love to talk to people and answer questions and halford Man. You know we did that, Lucy Borden, you know, check all that stuff out. You know, it's a big part a lot of that. Hey, Brol, thanks for coming on here, bro, and uh we look forward to having you out here again when you can do it again. You keep being you, bro, Remember stay lifted and gifted, homeboy, and don't give up. Mike. I hope we can get you and pick your brain for when we do the glam and hair metal because I'd love to hear you and your opinions on that as well, because Chang you should hear it. I can't wait till you hear what Chang has to say because of what you wish for is me and Chang s we love it. This is back to the eighties. You've just heard, Mike Dave. This is Tiskano from Triskanno Win Chang wishing you a great week, Be safe, do what you can do in order to make humanity a better place. Enjoy your day because at the end of that sucks. You want to leave that, No, that sucks, never mind. Goodbye, everybody, see you next week. Don't forget that we have a great show starting next week, Part two of Rock and Metal Back in the Eighties. Have a good one chang here. Before I send you on your way to another fantastic weekend, I want you all to remember to stay lifted and gifted and we big big thanks to Shanman and Mike Davis for stopping in and kicking back with us. Tomorrow is never promised. To live your life to the fullest. Put a smile on that faceball out there and stand up for something bigger than you. Stand up for somebody. There's a love going out there you haven't talked to give him a call, go see him because tomorrow you never know what's going to happen. So to all of you out there, I want to did you all in adios and even Urchy an asta la vista asaya nada an asta manyana, and to all of my homies in the audio or till next Friday Day,