The Music Industry Rant

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with me today as he is every single

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Friday, is a man and that
goes to malls and Jess hangs out at

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sparrows waiting for the eighties to come
back once again. His collection of members

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only jackets can only be seen on
display at the Smithsonian Museum. But here

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at Back to the Eighties Radio,
we call him the Chang. How the

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heck are you my friend? Well, my brother, my partner in crime.

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I am always at the top of
my game. And yes, my

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collection of members only jackets are not
all mine. No, no, no.

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I went through the high school lockers
and stoled as many members only jackets

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at Montabella High School. I did
that. I did that all by myself.

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Did you know, Chang, that
the members only jackets have never stopped

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being in production. They still make
them and they still sell them. Are

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you serious? And not only Yeah? Absolutely? And I actually saw somebody

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on TV, a younger, a
millennial, wearing a bright yellow one to

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go with his outfit. Wow.
Now, I have not seen a bright

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yellow members only jacket since my uncle
was alive, and he used to sport

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a yellow, a very light kind
of a pistal yellow members only. Yeah,

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that's that's exactly what it was like. Yeah, and I recall going,

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uncle Vic, you know I love
you while yes, ma, huh,

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but why the hell are you wearing
such a hideous looking jacket? And

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the question to you, tuskanto win
all our listeners members only? But yeah,

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they were sold in such an abundance
there couldn't have been the stars.

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Yeah, who No, how could
you get a membership by wearing this ugly

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jacket? Is that the whole pitch
of members only? However, let's be

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honest, all right, anybody who's
ever worn a members only jacket can tell

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I mean, this is a fact. Those jackets are some of the most

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comfortable jackets known demand. Come on, let's be honest. They are some

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of the most comfortable and comfort wise, the most comfortable jackets ever made.

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Well, we gotta give me that
one, at least, well, I'll

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give you that one. Now.
The chang never sported a member's only jacket,

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now I remember I Come on,
I told you on a pass show

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and and gave me a members only
jacket, and U I felt like Sli.

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I just felt like Smack. I
was like, do you understand I've

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got long hair, I'm a rocker. I don't wear members only jackets,

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and I don't wear windbreakers like the
Falsie. No, I don't. We

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have a fantastic show today, and
if you just joined us, we're gonna

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be talking about the music industry,
what the heck is going on with it?

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And we're gonna be talking to Victor
Levine from force Field Studios in Los

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Angeles, producers, studio manager,
engineer, and much more so. Stick

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that's because we had live through this decade.

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You're welcome back to Back to the
eighties. You are listening, hopefully

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with a friend, if not a
friend of family member. Tonight we are

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going to talk about music of the
past and the present to a certain degree,

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because our show is not about the
present. And bear with me,

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but a lot of the music nowadays
sucks all in all in a handbasket,

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toscanell I want to bring up I
want to bring up a topic, and

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this is very dear to my heart, okay, and I'm sure it's very

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dear to your heart. Now,
what is the ridiculousness of the Hall of

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Fame of rock and Roll? Why
is it that we are seeing more artists

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that are not of the rock and
roll genre being inducted into the Rock and

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Roll Hall of Fame when we've had
such great bands that have not even gotten

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enough votes to be grinned upon this
last in duction election, Iron Maiden was

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not put in it, but yet
the Foo Fighters were nominated, which personally,

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I think the Foo Fighters are not
that great of a band. I

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think they're a little bit poppy,
and I think they're a little bit too

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modern to even be thought of to
join the rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

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I mean, come on, roll, it's a hall of shame,

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not a hall of fame, and
it has nothing to do anymore with the

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term rock and roll. Would you
not agree? You know? As with

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recent years, once again the fan
voted ballot hasn't reflected the final outcome,

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you know, for metal fans and
real rock fans. Here we go again,

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Iron Maiden left out, left out
of the rock and Roll Hall of

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Fame, Judas Priest left out once
again, left out of the Rock and

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Roll Hall of Fame. What happened
with other members of bands of let's go

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back to bands from the seventies and
eighties. Of course one of those bands

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in particular. Now, regardless of
whether you like them or not, this

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is not what we like or not. It's about justice to these bands,

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because there have been tons of bands
sitting on the sidelines since the eighties and

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they've been left sucking their thumb.
And one of those bands is Motorhead.

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Metallica's induction makes the emission even more
glaring, since they've never hid. Motorheads

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huge influence on their music, you
know, the late Lemmy brilliant mixing of

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punk and metal with a double based
kick drum to keep things, you know,

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charging forward, steal sounds brown new. Come on. Then we've got

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Iron Maiden, which have never having
crossoverhead it seems to have doomed Iron Maiden

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from the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame, and this is something that really

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ticks me off. And then you
have bands like Pantera, Judas Priest and

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guess what bro Megadeath not in there. And then of course Ronnie James Dio.

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You know, yeah, he was
a legend. But you know what

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he's saying for Black Sabbath. So
you know, since Black Sabbath's already in

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oh, well, you know,
James Dio doesn't deserve to be there.

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And bands like V fifty twos and
some other bands, Now, like I

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said, regardless if I don't like
them or not, it's not about that.

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It's about these are great bands that
have meant so much to the world

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of music. They have sold over
a one hundred million albums. I mean,

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come on, and they're not there. You know, talking about that

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Shaka Khan being brought up into the
mix is not rock. The other one

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that that really bothers me. And
I know a lot of our listeners may

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get mad the Go Goes. I'm
sorry, but the Go Goes to me

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did not How could I word this
without pissing anybody off? Deserve The Go

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Goes, in no way, shape
or form, deserve to be called a

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rock and roll band. They were
a pop band. I mean, I

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just I can't understand the reasoning,
the logic that these these people are voting

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these bands. And like I said, the Food Fighters, I just don't

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call them a hard rock band.
I'm sorry, I just don't, you

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know. I look at Dame Grow
and I was like, yeah, you're

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the guy that was in Nirvana.
Okay, but I just find it preposterous.

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I think it's ridiculous. Now.
I read an article earlier today where

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even Gene Simmons of Kids and you
know, I'm not a big fan of

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Gene Simmons the Donald Trump of hard
rock, but even he thought it was

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disgusting that such great rock and roll
bands have been overruked right, and in

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their place, pop culture has put
their groups in L L cool J.

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I can't even stand that. Watching
them on that La Cops show with the

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guy that played Robin in the Weakest
Batman and Robin of all time, Chris

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o'donald, I mean, come on, this is not about the genres that

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we like or not. It's not
about that. It's about an entity,

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an agency being called rock and roll
Hall of Fame. Okay, that it's

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a particular genre that includes many subgenres
within it. However, rap is not

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in there. Okay, it shouldn't
be, just like classical music should not

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be in there because it's not rock
and roll. Country music is another correct.

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Country music should not be in there
because it's not rock and roll.

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Now regardless, we can all say, sure, we can all say,

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you know what, well, the
roots of it are rock and roll.

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The rootsa well, yeah, the
roots are probably somewhere jazz or somewhere in

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the medieval times. And we're not
gonna just go back to playing that kind

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of music. It's not about that. And then you get look who was

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the other one, jay Z give
me a break, I mean, give

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me a break. And then you
got artists of course, like Ozzy Osbourne.

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Right, although when in his situation
there were some personal issues because he

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attempted to remove Black Sabbath's name from
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nomination

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in nineteen ninety nine, he called
it meaningless all right, so you know

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he probably has what is coming to
him. But what about let's go with

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other bands who've expressed, you know, no interest. However, deep down

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inside, come on, these are
bands that would love to be in the

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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and
they deserve it, such bands as Scorpions,

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that has sold over one hundred million
albums worldwide, headlining performances for over

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the last forty years Slayer Sammy Hagar
Okay who had two platinum one goal selling

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album even before joining Van Halen,
and then three more top twenty five solo

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projects afterward. My question is,
bro, who is making the rules?

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Who are these people that they are
allowing to vote? Because whoever it is

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know nothing about rock and roll.
Oh, I agree, and I'm gonna

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go on a limb and I'm gonna
call anybody that is being utilized to vote

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for the inductees to the Rock Roll
Hall of Fame. I call these guys

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a bunch of brain dead ass clowns. Yes, you can bleed me out

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if you want, but I'm gonna
stand by that. It's just ridiculous.

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You know, rock and roll was
one of the first sounds that came out

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here in the States, and if
you remember, we go all the way

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back, brother, we go all
the way back to great bands like Jerry

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Lee Lewis, Little Richard. You
know, some say Alvis Presley isn't really

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the king of rock and roll,
that he did sound steal the rock and

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roll vibe and sound from the black
black musical culture. But Chuck Barry,

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I mean such greats like that that
started rock and roll, and then you

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have the Fab four and the who
were the Rolling Stones and such great bands

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that came in to the rock and
roll scene and created the rock and roll

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scene to what we have today.
When the Country Music Awards come out,

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all right, and they were to
give their award to Jay Z or L

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L cool J, how would the
rest of the artists feel. How would

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the fans of country music feel?
It's not going to happen, right,

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So why is the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame allowing it? I'm gonna

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tell you why, because they suck? And you know what, I am

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no fan of the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame. They have let me

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down one too many times. Bands
that have been on the sidelines for forty

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years, man, and they're not
in there. And here comes an artist

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it's not even in the genre of
rock and roll and wins it. And

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they barely started in the nineties.
Bro, where's the justice in that?

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Give me a break. They've even
brought up Rage against the Machine, which

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to me, I like rage against
the machine. I'm a hard rock kind

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of guy. Now I do dig
their music, but it's way too early

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for them to be nominated. It's
way too early for them to even be

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discussed as a matter of fact.
Correct. Bruce Dickinson was not surprised that

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they were not in Ductete, and
he said even if they were, his

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band would not attend because they feel
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is

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a mirror joke. That's bottom line. It is a joke, and it's

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just a disgrace to all rock bands
who've tried and have sold and have proved

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and have gathered and gained a reputation
of who they are. A great band,

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and it's just a disgrace and an
embarrassment to everybody who loves real rock

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and roll. This is back to
the eighties radio. We're gonna be right

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back. Here's John Sells Wild Dreams
in July only on Back to the eighties

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Radio, Still Life made the same
mistake. It's dreams and you lie,

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cry babe now and cry brck cry
why dreams? You lie? Shryo when

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you hope it is gone? But
you lie so short? Could you be

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so long? Oh love? Say
you want someone but you're all in love

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when it comes under? Why basing
you lie? Crying down and cry brck

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cry why dreams and you lie?
Why dream damn you lie, crime being

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now and crack crick cry? Why
dreaming you lie? Dass say love it

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is gone and you're holding out?
Don't you take too low? Whevery or

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she let me be? Can you
see yourself tending next to me? Why

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dan you lie? Time being down
and crack crack cry, Why dreams and

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you die? Wild Dreams in July
by John Sells, Warren't Writer on vocals,

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James Strout on drums, Kathy McKeon
harmony vocals. Catch your copy of

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John Sells at Forcefield Studios dot com. You're listening to Back to the Eighties

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Radio. I'm Tuscano from Toscano and
Chang and if you've just joined us,

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means so much to us. You
know, we were talking about the rock

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and Roll Hall of Fame, and
we're going off on a rant because because

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of so many bands that have been
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there are bands who you might say, well, they don't be long in

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the Hall of Fame, so that's
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you know what, once they start
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Wouldn't you say that? Chang Oh? I would agree. I mean,

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like we're talking to a couple of
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a great talent, right, one
of the greatest votal is I think of

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his day, of his era of
that genre. But even somebody is great

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with the lyrical content that that guy
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be in the rock and Roll Hall
of Fame because Wham and him weren't rock

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and roll. I just I find
it preposterous that we even call it a

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rock and roll Hall of Fame.
Could it should be the rock and Roll

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Hall of Shame? It should be, or it should be just called the

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Music Hall of Fame, right,
And look how long it took Steve Ray

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Vaughan and Double Trouble to be inducted. You know, yeah, and you

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know, I remember in twenty nineteen, in twenty nineteen when they inducted the

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Cure. Okay, now, regardless
of that shouldn't be all I was gonna

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say, regardless of whether you like
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they when they interviewed both, when
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up there, he was not a
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everybody know. I mean, he
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they won, but he was not
a happy camper because of everything that goes

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down in the Rock and Roll Hall
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bands like in Access who don't even
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so downright pissed off about it every
year. I haven't even looked into the

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scoring issue that they come up with
to induct some of these acts. I

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really don't. I just find it
preposterous. Let's go over some of the

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performers that have been inducted into the
Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Number

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one of the Foo Fighters, followed
by the Go Gos, Jay Z,

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Carol King, Todd Rundgren, Tina
Turner, all Right, Clarence Avant,

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L L Cool, Jay, Billy
Preston, Randy Rhodes, while there's there's

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a good one craft Work Who craft
Work? I don't know, Gil Scott,

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Heron or Heron, Charlie Patton,
Who the hell is it? Well,

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you've been listening to Back to the
eighties Tscanno and Chang. We're going

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to take a quick break here.
Coming back, we have our interview with

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the legendary Victor Legin. Hey,
if you listen to rock and roll radio

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in the eighties, then listen to
this Tescanto and Chang. They will transport

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you back in time, back to
the eighties. If they were a laxity,

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they'd be so powerful you could stand
on your head and on the ceiling.

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That position will not only but also
undignified. And now back to the

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eighties with Toscato and Chang. This
just back to the eighties radio. This

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is disconno from Tchiskonto n Cheng.
I want to keep reminding you guys to

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stick around with us because tis Kanno
and Chang and the manage that we bring

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to you is coming up every single
Friday, but soon to be Eka Hits

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ninety two five online and around the
world. Now, as promised before the

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break, we have a very very
special guest from Forcefield Studios, Victor Levine,

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who is, of course, among
other things, a business insider,

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studio manager, producer, engineer,
songwriter, musician. How do you have

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the time to even spare some time
for us, Mario. It's a pleasure

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to be on and I thank you. I'm so happy that you're following the

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eighties because it was a terrific time, a whole fountain of creativity, and

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I never get tired of listening to
the music, honestly, Well, it's

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great to have you, Victor.
How do you remember the music industry of

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the eighties? And it was really
kind of exciting because technologically, I've owned

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equipment for so long that I tend
to follow the storyline of the electronics and

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from I bought a real to real
tape recorder and had in my bedroom when

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I was in thirteen. So when
the equipment got more sophisticated and the porter

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studio started in the seventies actually,
and the tools eventually became put into the

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hands of the creators, and that's
what happened in the eighties because now instead

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of having to go when I first
had a studio, you wanted to make

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a demo, you had to come
to a studio. By the when the

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eighties started, everybody had their own
porter studio. Then the drum machines came

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in, and the synthesizers became affordable. So it was really an explosion of

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talents because everybody had access to the
equipment and a lot of a lot of

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trends followed in that, and the
record companies got on board, and that's

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what individual what we have today.
You know, everybody that makes a project

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in uploads on Spotify or something.
But but then that was when that first

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started becoming feasible, and it was
really the the records sound on sound,

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Yes exactly. Now, Victor,
I have a question, and it's kind

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of in the same grounds, and
we're talking about the music industry and the

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different styles of genres. Even the
talent I believe has changed dramatically from the

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early seventies and the eighties. I
always consider the eighties as the floodgate of

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music. We had so many diverse
bands, so much different talent, but

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it was sheer, raw talent.
I think MTV killed killed the radio and

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I will stand by that. Would
you not say that the talent pool in

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today's music is very shallow in comparison
to some of the musical talent that we

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have had in the past. And
I ask you this question because user were

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directly in the middle of the swimming
pool of so much talent hitting you.

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It was probably hard to keep track
of and hard to contain to get these

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artists in the studio and playing ice
and play professional to bring out such great

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music. I'm really glad that you
asked me that, because it's really important

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here to define what you mean by
work with So as a studio operator,

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my job was to keep the studio
going, and I was very careful to

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be in the sessions and not in
the sessions at the right time. Most

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of the time, as in ninety
some odd percent of the time, job

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was to be out of the session
in my office taking care of business so

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that everything worked. And especially at
Amigo, where I had seven rooms online

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in fifteen thousand square feet to manage, and you know, going night and

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day, there was a lot going
on. So, in terms of being

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in the studio, what my kind
of creative part of my agenda, Because

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like everybody else that I really met
in the studio world, they started as

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a musician, of course, and
realized that, you know, being in

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front of the camera on stage wasn't
going to be their destiny, so they

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veered off in a different directions.
So I had a fellow that I grew

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up with who was in the career
of world and over time, when I

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had studio time, we would go
in and record and do work on stuff

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for him. That guy is John
Cells, and over the period of twenty

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and thirty years he put out records
with other people, and when he passed,

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I put in all this time.
But you know, he couldn't stay

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straight. Basically he was a wonderful
guy, but he just couldn't, you

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know, couldn't do it. And
and so I was left with all his

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material and so I said, what
am I do? I'm I going to

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throw it away. Put a lot
of work into this, so I started

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to melop it and over time,
So that's the focal point. But besides

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that, I've worked with over the
years. Randy California was a pretty good

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friend of mine from Spirit and I
did wrote and did demos with him.

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Not an amigo at Fidelity, Greg
Reeves from Crosby Stiel's, Nash Young,

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Greave and Paler, Greg and I
did some stuff together. I worked with

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Mila Djobovic that you know, I
got her. She came to us as

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I got her. I did her
demos and I didn't I didn't even know

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that she's saying, well, she
didn't. She was she was when we

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when she came to me and I
management partner, she was about fifteen.

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She kind of had this modeling career, and but she was she had Russian

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her mother was a Russian actress,
very dramatic person, and she knew it

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was very um, dramatic and passionate. And then she had this poetry and

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so they kind of somehow or other
they showed us the poetry and I went

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with her and I showed her how
we wrote her first songs together, and

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then um, we got her record
deal and a publishing deal and she you

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know, but she was already had
this other kind of career. So you

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know, that was a big That
was a big you know thing for me.

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But in terms of circling back with
like the gold records, I have

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like behind me, I'll take a
picture of it. I've got um,

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you know, the David to be
Raw and this is in the Amigo.

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There was Amigo Amigo existed for quite
some time. I told ch I could

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go on for a long time.
Ago was bought by Warner Brothers a year

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or two after Snuff Garrett started it, and over the years it was their

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studio and we had they had a
mastering studio there too, two mastering studios,

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so there was recording and mastering and
a huge tape library and the Warner

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Brothers and it was on the calm
lines of the Warner Brothers building. What

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happened to history of Amiga? Which
I thought, because you know, when

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I heard your podcast at Jang and
I heard you really off these names,

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I was like, wait a minute, I knew every one of those bands.

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We did all of those demos and
and you know, it was just

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like, that's kind of I told
Mario. One of my attractions to the

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show was his voice. And one
of my attractions to you is I thought,

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like, you know, you were
around during those times, so I'm

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sure that somehow we could connect on
some level. I got him, I

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have one for you, Okay.
Frankie Fanelli, the drummer for Pryet Riot.

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He recently died, so anyhow,
so so I was producing. There's

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this artist named David Della Rosa,
who was, you know, basically a

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fringe talented fringe, you know,
but he was really good. So so

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somehow or other between his brother and
a Frankie somehow liked him and they wanted

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to put together and make a record
and had a different studio I had Crystal

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Studios at the time. They wanted
to make a record, but of course

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nobody really had any money. So
what we used to do, but was

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very common in the recording business is
that when people who had somehow been anointed

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geniuses were there, the habit was
for the engineer to school up the tape

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and just let it run. Don't
press start and stopped because you'd interrupt the

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genius. So the tape just ran
and ran and ran and rand. Well,

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the taps cost about one hundred and
seventy five dollars apiece, these two

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inch takes, so if and for
nothing. So in the studio world,

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you would find tapes with like basically
nothing on it, or like like two

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seconds of a drum track or somebody
coughing and noodling around, and then eventually,

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you know, they'd figure out what
they wanted to record, and that

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would be the tape that they'd used
to do the rest of the overdubs on.

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But reeling back to the beginning of
the story, there was we didn't

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have any money for tape to record
this, you know, fringe artist David

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della Rossa. So I went into
the tape library and I found the tapes

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that like that somebody had recorded on
which I'm somebody really famous had recorded on.

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But they didn't make any sounds,
you know, it was like nothing,

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And I knew that they were never
coming back for it. So that's

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what we used to make his records. I erased what was on there.

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We had a fresh roll of tape. No, that's awesome in your opinion.

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Two major differences one or two between
how music was produced back then in

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the eighties than it is today.
And do those differences make any difference for

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the listener today? Is I mean
is it better now and I don't mean

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technologically, I mean everything else behind
the scenes, or was it better back

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then? For whatever the reason?
The great questions and there's a lot of

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differences. The primary difference is the
migration of the equipment from needing to work

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with multiple people versus working by yourself. And this is just something I've actually

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written about I write too so.
But the idea is that in the eighties,

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if you wanted to make a record
and you wanted to get signed to

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a record dealing. One group that
I was very involved with, I'm sorry

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changing now your members Reverend David Blaine, and so a physical journey from in

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the eighties to get to a record
deal was you had this guy David Wayne,

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who was the lead singer of Lords
of the New Church, which the

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first grunge band out of Seattle.
He came down and somehow record executive Danny

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gold Bird I think, no,
Danny something I can't remember Goodwin, Danny

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Goodwin at Charisma Records. And at
the time I was doing a lot of

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demos for people, and at the
time I had a deal and suicidal tendencies.

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Did this deal? Poison? Did
this deal? I made a list

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of all the people because it was
like a thing, and I called it

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the three four or five deal.
It was three songs, four days,

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five grands, and I sold a
lot of packages then. But what happened

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is the labels called me up with
a project because they on my skill was

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knowing which engineer or producer to put
it together, who knew the system that

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we could get a result and get
some demos, real demos, viable demos.

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So this was typical at the time, and we had many acts,

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including suicidal sentences, go to deal
like this. And so at the time,

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you know, I get sent this
tape from the record guy and it

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was good, and it's a tape
of them in a rehearsal, and that's

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where it started. It had to
be the bandlide in rehearsal. And the

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tape sounded so bad that I remember
I said to him. I called him

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back and I said, he said, what do you think of it?

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I said, well, to be
honest with you, it sounds like somebody

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takes a microphone to the back of
an air conditioner. And we had we

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had a really good laugh about it. And I said, well, I

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got just the engineer who would known
how to deal with this. So I

407
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:58.759
brought in my good, my top
guy Croyle, who has SCons all kinds

408
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:02.839
of other things. Was great guy, very talented, and and that was

409
00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:07.880
the start of Reverend's first demo.
And then that went the record deal and

410
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:13.320
they made four albums and we mound
up managing them because you know, they

411
00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:20.639
trusted us. So that was the
eighties. Today the whole world has shifted,

412
00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:24.679
so that from what I understand and
shifting to a point where I'm I'm

413
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:30.559
only a spectator from a distance.
But today all the tools to do make

414
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.840
all those sounds and even to make
gold of visuals are in the hands of

415
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:42.119
everybody with a smartphone. So so
so what you have is and and better

416
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.719
is it? Better is a relative
term because what you have is that people

417
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:52.320
now their typical attention span is short, So what are they going to listen

418
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.320
to? Are they going to listen
to something that staff and moving like them?

419
00:34:54.480 --> 00:35:00.519
That's why kicktock is so popular,
And you know the on the other

420
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:07.239
you know, fast platforms, I
mean formont But that's really that's on my

421
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:12.239
opinion, that's very much in this
culture. We have a lot of fans,

422
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.199
I mean a lot of our fans. Most of our fans are in

423
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.480
the rest of the world, because
the rest of the world still actually listens

424
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.719
to music. Yeah, yeah,
we know what you mean, because the

425
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.960
same thing happens with back to the
eighties, the majority of the country is

426
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:31.119
listening to to us still listen to
real music. And by real music,

427
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.880
I just mean the way that you
were, you know, without speeding up,

428
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:38.679
without wanting to go on to the
next thing, fifteen seconds into it,

429
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:44.639
yeah, or five seconds into it. I mean, kop k pop

430
00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.840
is really it's it's an amazing thing, you know. Like I said,

431
00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.760
I could talk for a long time
about it. But anyhow, I just

432
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:54.360
giving you guys some ideas. If
you want to follow up on any of

433
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.320
these, we could give a food
by email or another phone call, but

434
00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:00.199
I don't want to take up too
much your time. But like k pop

435
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:06.960
and TikTok are really the leading edge
of things. But to me, the

436
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.400
music is only a component of it, you know, so it's not really

437
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:15.119
music. It's not the star of
it. Yeah. Yeah, it's so

438
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.480
so realistically, and I think the
importance of the music of the eighties,

439
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.760
which is why I think that if
your show is very exciting, is that

440
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:30.840
if you all the styles, all
of the styles from hip hop to synth

441
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:37.800
pop to grunge, all of those
things really are represented in the eighties everything

442
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:43.079
because that was when it became technologically
possible to do all that stuff, even

443
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.880
auto tune and the whole thing.
So the eighties are really they're really like

444
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:51.840
the flowering of all the styles.
You know. It's interesting because I have

445
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:55.920
one of my nephews who is in
his mid twenties, you know, college

446
00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:02.880
graduate with today's mentality and only today's
things and whatever. So he mentioned to

447
00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.760
me a while back ago during a
little family get together, He goes,

448
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:12.320
do you realize you're just repeating what
your parents said to you about their about

449
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.679
their music. And I said,
well, actually, let's think about it.

450
00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:21.280
It's not really true because today's music
it's not anything that you haven't heard

451
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:27.679
before, as opposed to the eighties
where all that music, the glam metal,

452
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.559
the hair metal, the beginnings of
thrash and all that stuff was new

453
00:37:31.599 --> 00:37:37.519
to us. There wasn't anything like
it before. So that's why it will

454
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:43.880
go on forever, as opposed to
today where you have five hundred million singers

455
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:47.960
that go to X Factor and America's
Got Talent and all these talent shows that

456
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.480
you'll never hear from again. Mario
brought out that that was a great point.

457
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:57.639
Bro. Now this is where it
gets crazy where both me and Mario

458
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.440
are on the same page and we've
discussed this. Now. I think see

459
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:07.280
that the eighties were so close to
the seventies where we had such great music

460
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:13.760
as Motown, where we had the
rock that was not not classified as classic,

461
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.559
but his acid rock with Aerosmith,
Judas Priest, you know, great

462
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:22.800
bands like UFO, Thim, Lizzie
Yes, Steely Dan, The Eagles,

463
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:30.679
Linda Ronstead. I think that the
eighties talent kind of flowered from the early

464
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:37.800
seventies, late seventies seeds that were
planted in music, and I think with

465
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:43.480
the decade change in the time that
has passed, the talent of music now

466
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:47.519
has been a lot more watered down. Then we go back into the eighties

467
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:53.039
and like Mario said, you know, the the evolution of the grunge,

468
00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:59.679
of thrash metal, of glad metal, which I call pretty metal poser boys.

469
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.880
But what that's on another show.
I think we are so far in

470
00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:09.840
the music industry with talent from when
the necessity it in the early late seventies

471
00:39:10.360 --> 00:39:16.440
that has added to I think a
cheapening of music nowadays. And I also

472
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:22.320
think that's why terrestrial radio is pretty
much got one foot in the grave and

473
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.480
the other one in the urn.
What do your take? What would your

474
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:31.039
take beyond that You're one hundred percent
right, and I agree with you that

475
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:37.000
the talent pool is what I call
talent. The musical talent pool, I

476
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:43.199
believe is a lot shallower in pop
music. And there's some very good reasons

477
00:39:43.239 --> 00:39:46.079
why. And the principal one is
that you don't actually need to learn how

478
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:52.679
to play an instrument. And as
somebody who's got callouses for days, who

479
00:39:52.760 --> 00:39:58.639
still plays, whose practice and multi
instrumentalist, I could play a lot of

480
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:02.199
instruments. Somebody, Oh you want
to you want to base sound here doing

481
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.519
joint. Now, I'm a bass
player, you know, and so so

482
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:10.679
the idea, you know, to
me, the dividing line is are they

483
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:16.960
a musician or are they using music
to create sounds? Which is a valid

484
00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:22.760
thing, it's fine. But to
me, I'm a musician and I prefer

485
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:27.639
music. And you know that.
I guess that's so, and I think

486
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:31.000
that. And in the eighties,
I'll tell you if it's an I'll tell

487
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:36.400
you a little side story for that
one. When uh, when I was

488
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:40.280
when I was recording with Sales in
in Los Angeles, he uh, you

489
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:46.199
know, was dating somebody which was
a frequent you know, affair would last

490
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.960
for at least a day or two. Anyhow, So he says, if

491
00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:52.960
I said, well, how was
your date last night. He says,

492
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.119
oh, it's okay. Yeah,
But she told me she was a bass

493
00:40:57.239 --> 00:41:00.199
player, and so we went over
and like I gave her you know,

494
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:05.199
she brought her face over and like
I thought we were gonna jam, and

495
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:07.800
but she didn't know an he knows. I said, what do you mean?

496
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.119
He says, well, I told
her. I said, let's play

497
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.280
in the key of E. And
she says, what's that? And he

498
00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:16.880
says, you know, like the
Eastern. She goes huh. And then

499
00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:20.320
then he says, and you know
you could play him. And then the

500
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.000
third friend isn't gee, And she's
like, well, why do I need

501
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:30.679
to know that? So that's that's
I can't contest that and that and those

502
00:41:30.719 --> 00:41:36.559
are the people that actually had have
had success. These people who were not

503
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:39.639
talented I had. There was another
group, if you want to go back

504
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:46.079
to the early eighties, it called
the Fools. The Fools and Simone Postuma,

505
00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:52.000
this Dutch guy was the front man
for it. Simone is the famous

506
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:58.440
character because he brought the colors of
Morocco and influenced the Beatles. Anyhow,

507
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.559
this is a long story. I
go back a long way, as warn

508
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:06.519
you. So anyhow, uh so
anyhow, so he was just like this

509
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:09.639
cool guy who would influence the Beatles. So they said, naturally, well

510
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.239
let's make a recording group out of
it. He wasn't a musician. He

511
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.119
was like this thing, you know, a public thing, and so that

512
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.280
was at the time. Everybody who's
like had their eye. I'm like,

513
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.480
what the heck is this? You
know, but it worked because he was

514
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:29.320
cool. He actually was cool.
But today people are just pos you know.

515
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:37.760
Posing Posing used to be a pejorative, as we say right now.

516
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.039
So anyhow, so it's really it's
really different, but there's there's a lot

517
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:50.199
of talents to people. The basic
answer is the basic answer is that in

518
00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:53.280
the eighties you still had to actually
learn how to play an instrument in older

519
00:42:53.320 --> 00:43:00.519
to call yourself a musician or be
able to carry a tune, yourself a

520
00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:04.800
singer. Another we're on the subject
real brief on the technological side of it,

521
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.639
or the hardware side, if you
for a second, go back to

522
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:14.599
records, cassettes, CDs versus streaming. As a producer. Okay, this

523
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:19.079
is nothing to do as the listener, but as the producer, in your

524
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:24.079
opinion, what would be the closest
thing in the recording studio to the real

525
00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:28.599
thing in front of you. You
know, it's a very fair question,

526
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:32.280
it's a great question, and the
answer is going to surprise you. It

527
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:39.599
depends on the engineer because a good
because a good engineer can make craps sound

528
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.960
good, and bad engineer can't make
a need sound like a you know anything.

529
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:52.559
So, but in general, in
general, and I'm there for the

530
00:43:52.800 --> 00:44:00.559
analog digital wars for a long time. In general, analog is as warmer

531
00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:06.239
sound, and it's a more natural
sound, and people, you know,

532
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:13.119
biological creatures like humans, tend to
like it. You're aware that Vinyl is

533
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:20.039
making his presence and the technology of
vinyl has has has gotten a lot better.

534
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:28.119
What's your take on the rebirth of
vinyl and the sound that vinyl put

535
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.400
out then as comparison to the sound
it puts out now. Yeah, so

536
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:38.119
of course, And again it's so
great that you appreciate sound quality, and

537
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:44.360
sound quality has to streaming. I'll
tell you something about streaming that a lot

538
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:51.599
of people are unaware of is that
all streaming is not created equal. Spotify

539
00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:57.719
streams at a much lower bit rate
than Amazon Prime and as a result,

540
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.960
and all the very and they're constantly
changing, and you know, there's all

541
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:07.719
the compression, so this signal path
to your ear is long and complicated,

542
00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:14.440
and and and when you know,
I upload tracks and all the distributors still

543
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:20.679
want everything in sixteen forty four so
you know, so forty four bit,

544
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:25.559
you know, so he's a forty
four kg. So it's this, The

545
00:45:25.719 --> 00:45:30.639
listening experience can be improved at any
level, and getting a good pair of

546
00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:37.679
headphones, getting a good cassette deck, getting a good original medium. I'm

547
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:40.920
friends with a guy who's um.
You know, I owned blades, so

548
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.079
you know, I actually know a
cutting lacquer. So this fellow who's who,

549
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:49.400
who's still working now, he's up
in the mountains, um, and

550
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.800
he I digitized some tapes and I
had some of my two inch was really

551
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.000
dicey, so I brought it to
him and he faked them just the right

552
00:45:58.039 --> 00:46:01.199
way and was able to digitize them. What he said in his opinion,

553
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:06.480
and this is like he's way past
me, and I'm a studio guy.

554
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:13.960
So he said that the order is
cascepts. CDs are the worst quality,

555
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:22.400
followed by tape, and the highest
quality is accentate. So that's the pecking

556
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:27.760
order. And so your ears are
not deceiving you. It's like the Pepsi

557
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.320
and the Coach Challenges. You're listening
to Back to the Eighties if you just

558
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:35.400
joined us, We have Victor Levine
and we're going to be back with more

559
00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:39.679
back to the eighties radio Tiscanow and
Chang and possibly a hater b to the

560
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:45.800
Eighties. Let me explain something to
you. I am a vintage, mass

561
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:54.559
marketed children's toy from the eighties.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, boys

562
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:59.760
and girls, cats and kitties and
all you eighties ladies. We are sitting

563
00:46:59.800 --> 00:47:02.360
here. You're chatting away with the
legend. That's right, the legend Victor

564
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:08.320
Levine, and we're talking about eighties
production. This guy is all over.

565
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:14.639
I read over so many acts that
you worked with, and a question comes

566
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:20.559
to mind. This was one of
my favorite slash punk slash metal bands,

567
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:27.480
Suicidal Tendencies. What was it like
to work with this band? And could

568
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.800
you maybe explain a little bit to
our listeners who may not be familiar or

569
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:37.519
who don't understand why I gave them
the slash metal punk rock rating. Could

570
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:40.280
you dive into a couple of stories
that you might have of Mike and the

571
00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:45.760
Boys. Yeah, yeah, happy, happy to talk about Suicidal Tendencies.

572
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:50.840
And the first thing is is that
they were one of a couple of bands

573
00:47:51.159 --> 00:48:00.360
there was real killed cult, faster, pushycast rat Poison. I think we

574
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:05.679
did their demos. So they came
in and the idea was that they want

575
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:15.119
They came to Amigo Studios because Amigo
Studios had developed a reputation where Metallica had

576
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:21.920
cut Master of Puppets and Michael Wagner
and I got the record behind me.

577
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:27.679
So and Michael Wagner was the engineer
producer and he had a string of hits

578
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:32.760
there. We did dock In,
we did White Lion, and so in

579
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:38.599
between there all the up and coming
acts like Suicidal Tendencies and the labels.

580
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.559
The labels were the one that kind
of said, hey, you go work

581
00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:50.239
over there, they'll figure out what
to do. So Suicidal Tendencies wasn't that

582
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:57.880
noticeable to me from my advantage point
of the office where I generally stayed for

583
00:48:58.039 --> 00:49:04.679
my own well being. You know, I wasn't exactly a suicidal tendency guy

584
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:07.599
who married my whole life. And
you know, we had to make the

585
00:49:07.639 --> 00:49:09.440
equipment work, so you know,
I was very polite and everything, but

586
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:14.599
I'm not like hanging out drinking fears
with them. So anyhow, which is

587
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:20.440
a funny story because I remember that
they were in Studio A. And by

588
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:23.800
the way, I have all the
documentation from my years at Amigo of four

589
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:30.039
years of every I have a desk
log and a nightlog and the booking calendar

590
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:35.760
of everything that went on. So
because oh yeah, this is if I'll

591
00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:37.760
talk to you about that sometimes.
But anyhow, and there was and I

592
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:42.599
told everybody, all the second engineers
and everybody worked at my desk, which

593
00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:45.480
was a man's night and day for
four years. They had to fill out

594
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.599
the daylog or the night loog and
say what happened, who did what,

595
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.199
money in food runs whatever. So
anyhow, so it was and this is

596
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:57.760
how I would keep an eye on
what was going on. I breathe.

597
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.679
It's like, okay, who's in, who's what time did they get out?

598
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:02.400
How much? You know was their
building and the engine you know as

599
00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:07.719
a business. And so what I
remember is the suicidal tendencies. I think

600
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:15.840
they were tracking and we were doing
some kind of construction and in the course

601
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:20.679
of the construction, there was a
toilet that had been removed and stead aside

602
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:30.320
on the whole way next to next
to their control room. And I guess

603
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:32.760
in a in a fit of in
a fit of um, maybe they got

604
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:38.880
lost at night or whatever, but
that they they they you know, we've

605
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:44.960
discovered that they had used the toilet, and so I was not I was

606
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:50.239
not really happy. I don't know
if I I And that's what I remember

607
00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.480
about them. And I said,
and I remember the vander said, that's

608
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:59.719
a good name for these guys.
I mean, they're in a beautiful studio.

609
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And then really they go in the
hallway and take a crap in this

610
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thing. But you know, just
saying, let's let's talk a little bit

611
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about radio, because that is that
is our world and from what it was

612
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to the eighties to what happened in
the nineties and today. In order for

613
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it to get to a point where
it's once again with that same spirit that

614
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it had in the eighties, what, in other words, what would it

615
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take to make radio fun and exciting
again? In your opinion, personalities like

616
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yourself and create appreciate it, create
both of you guys, creative, passionate,

617
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knowledgeable people who want to connect.
We actually are connected to radio stations

618
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all over the world now, and
you guys more resemble the world model of

619
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people who just are telling the truth, believing what they say and going with

620
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it and and not trying to please
all the people all the time, just

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being real. So you guys,
have I've heard your skits. I like

622
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I like radio. My my wife
Catherine, she started as a radio producer,

623
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produced the Big Talk show down in
San Diego, you know, all

624
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every day, so we worked way
into radio, and you know, and

625
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:30.039
to change mind about MTV, I
gotta say I agree with it to some

626
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extent because ray music used to be
something you've listened to. Now it's something

627
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that you watch, which you know, It's just an entirely different thing to

628
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me. Why do you think that
terrestrial radio has taken the dive that it

629
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has? Would you say, where's
a mixture of the was? I was

630
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just going to say that Cumulus.
I was going to ask you, do

631
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:05.239
you actually believe like I Corporate America
and their greedy little hands stopped caring about

632
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the product and it was more about
the revenue, and they tried to water

633
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down and cheapen the airwaves by giving
everybody less music popular kind of the same

634
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structure of music, and they don't
pay attention to radio personalities anymore now.

635
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Me as you, I grew up
sworn to the radio. The radio was

636
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everything to me, and I grew
up listening to k and Et Kost.

637
00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:37.280
I am a k and AC listener. I grew up listening to k West.

638
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:43.360
I remember listening to the real Don
Steel on AM radio at ninety three

639
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.960
kge J, and I remember I
looked at my mom and my dad and

640
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I said, that's what I evan
want to do when I'm a big boy.

641
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Music and radio to me are very
I hold them to my heart,

642
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and I know my buddy will attest
to this. I really firmly believe that

643
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:07.360
music and humor of the greatest entities
of all mankind that can bring anyone of

644
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:13.840
any color, sexual preference, religion
together at one place at one time,

645
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and that is harmony. I firmly
believe that only through unity are we going

646
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to create prosperity. And I think
with the dying era of radio that we

647
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see and the accumulation of so many
networks that are just going to go ahead

648
00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:37.360
and let you download music, you
nick you miss that neighborhood window that brings

649
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:42.920
both jock and listeners all together with
not even being in the room together.

650
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:47.440
I hear you, but I have
some good news for you. The proliferation

651
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:55.119
of internet based radio, which we
are on hundreds of stations worldwide, is

652
00:54:55.159 --> 00:55:02.760
the antidote to the problems that you
just correctly describe and the idea that corporate

653
00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:09.559
America is taking something and just trying
to make it into a plastic replication faculty

654
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:15.039
of itself and squeeze out profit.
That's what That's what business often does,

655
00:55:15.159 --> 00:55:21.679
and it's not limited to the record
business, and what the antidote is.

656
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Piscone and Chang, Victor. It's
been a pleasure to have you with us,

657
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and I really appreciate you taking the
time. I know we went a

658
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little overboard, but you know,
it's always when you have a great in

659
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the room, there's nothing better than
to pick from that great mind. I

660
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:43.480
appreciate it. Guys, Thank you
for doing what you're doing. You're got

661
00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:45.719
a good vibe going and I'm happy
to be a part of it. And

662
00:55:46.039 --> 00:55:50.760
call me again. We'll talk more. I'm sorry I'm so long winded,

663
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:53.920
but you know I've survived that long
enough. That's a lot of blah blah,

664
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.360
blah, So keep rocking. Thanks
a lot of Victor. If you

665
00:55:57.360 --> 00:56:00.039
don't mind, I may steal some
of your words, something that I think

666
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:05.320
is very upproposal for the moment,
But to all eighties fans listening, in

667
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spite of the many dramatic and heartfelt
and sometimes tragic moments in different people's lives,

668
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:14.960
always try to remember that there are
only two things in the universe that

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matter, the ones that matter and
the ones that don't, and the ability

670
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:22.280
to distinguish the difference, to keep
it all in perspective, to laugh as

671
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much as possible,